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    <title>The Internet Classroom: Websites are Due!!!</title>
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      <title>Post by stevie</title>
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    &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from lloyd:&lt;/div&gt;
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      &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I've been thoroughly impressed with the individual website projects you're doing.&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;Seconded!&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(stevie)</author>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:42:55 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by lloyd</title>
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  &lt;p&gt;I've been thoroughly impressed with the individual website projects you're doing.&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;For contrast, check this out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msu.edu/~karjalae/internet96.htm&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Internet '96&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. There, you'll find an archive of corporate websites, such as McDonald's, BestBuy.com, NY Times, Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Nickelodeon...&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;...and they're not as well designed as many of the sites you're crafting nowadays! And mind you, those are &lt;i&gt;corporate&lt;/i&gt; websites. Of course, a decade ago is a lifetime, in internet time. ::chuckle::&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;Quote:&lt;/p&gt;
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    &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: gray;&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;They viewed the medium as a chance for inexpensive advertising and invested dozens upon dozens of dollars into it. The results are tremendously humiliating.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: gray;&quot;&gt;In their defense, the technology was different in 1996. Although Internet Explorer 3.0 could run Java applets and inline media, Netscape Navigator could not, and in any case nobody felt comfortable doing anything more complicated than making a few animated GIFs. Additionally, very few web designers had even the most rudimentary of aesthetic sensibilities, and nearly half of them were clinically retarded. The internet in 1996 looks like it had been created in its entirety by a panel of 13-year-olds with Geocities accounts who had about half an hour to spare each night before bedtime.&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;::snicker::&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(lloyd)</author>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:10:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by MANG0xSALSA</title>
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    &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from Terrance:&lt;/div&gt;
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        &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from MANG0xSALSA:&lt;/div&gt;
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            &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from Forward Biased:&lt;/div&gt;
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              &lt;p&gt;Wait wait wait, Mac IE 5 &lt;b&gt;is not&lt;/b&gt; the same as Windows IE 6. They have different rendering engines and different bugs.&lt;/p&gt;
              &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I'll go out on a limb and say you &lt;b&gt;are not&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Mac IE 5, but you &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Windows IE 6.&lt;/p&gt;
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          &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;-.- so does that mean I can't check it unless I download Windows IE 6(which I can't), go somewhere that has a computer with Windows IE 6(which I also can't) or have countless IMs with someone that has Windows IE 6(which I'm currently in the process of doing)? eh. &lt;/p&gt;
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      &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;You could download and install a Windows emulator for the Mac =D&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;eh. I'm good. &lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(MANG0xSALSA)</author>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:00:47 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by Terrance</title>
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    &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from MANG0xSALSA:&lt;/div&gt;
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        &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from Forward Biased:&lt;/div&gt;
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          &lt;p&gt;Wait wait wait, Mac IE 5 &lt;b&gt;is not&lt;/b&gt; the same as Windows IE 6. They have different rendering engines and different bugs.&lt;/p&gt;
          &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I'll go out on a limb and say you &lt;b&gt;are not&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Mac IE 5, but you &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Windows IE 6.&lt;/p&gt;
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      &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;-.- so does that mean I can't check it unless I download Windows IE 6(which I can't), go somewhere that has a computer with Windows IE 6(which I also can't) or have countless IMs with someone that has Windows IE 6(which I'm currently in the process of doing)? eh. &lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;You could download and install a Windows emulator for the Mac =D&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(Terrance)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:49:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by MANG0xSALSA</title>
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    &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from Forward Biased:&lt;/div&gt;
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      &lt;p&gt;Wait wait wait, Mac IE 5 &lt;b&gt;is not&lt;/b&gt; the same as Windows IE 6. They have different rendering engines and different bugs.&lt;/p&gt;
      &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I'll go out on a limb and say you &lt;b&gt;are not&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Mac IE 5, but you &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Windows IE 6.&lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;-.- so does that mean I can't check it unless I download Windows IE 6(which I can't), go somewhere that has a computer with Windows IE 6(which I also can't) or have countless IMs with someone that has Windows IE 6(which I'm currently in the process of doing)? eh. &lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(MANG0xSALSA)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:27:21 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by trentyou</title>
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  &lt;p&gt;Is there a specific format for citing websites?&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;(\(^^(\) &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;LOLOLOLOL CRAB!&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(trentyou)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:47:40 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by EggPuffs</title>
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  &lt;p&gt;Miga, I checked it for you. Your site looks like this on IE:&lt;br&gt;|  |banner|  |&lt;br&gt;|  |sb|        |         &lt;br&gt;|       &lt;br&gt;|empty|con|  |&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;sb=sidebar, con=content &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;The empty doesn't mean anything, I jsut had to fill it up =P&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(EggPuffs)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:37:41 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by Forward Biased</title>
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  &lt;p&gt;Wait wait wait, Mac IE 5 &lt;b&gt;is not&lt;/b&gt; the same as Windows IE 6. They have different rendering engines and different bugs.&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I'll go out on a limb and say you &lt;b&gt;are not&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Mac IE 5, but you &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; required to test in Windows IE 6.&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(Forward Biased)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:29:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by lloyd</title>
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      &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I can't.. I have a mac and they don't make it for mac anymore.. &lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;Uhm, you're right... MS no longer offers IE/OS X, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.nickshanks.com/browsers/ie/macosx&quot;&gt;you can download it elsewhere&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(lloyd)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:26:33 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Post by MANG0xSALSA</title>
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    &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from senchent:&lt;/div&gt;
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        &lt;div class=&quot;heading&quot;&gt;Quote from MANG0xSALSA:&lt;/div&gt;
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          &lt;p&gt;um what do you count as major?&lt;/p&gt;
          &lt;p&gt;Does someone wanna look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://atdpcube.berkeley.edu/~miga/mmhome.html&quot;&gt;my site&lt;/a&gt; on IE for me? =] thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
          &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt; I checked it in class yesterday.. and it looked horrible.&lt;/p&gt;
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      &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;Uhmm...... Download IE and we'll help you in the chat later tonight...................... &lt;/p&gt;
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  &lt;p class=&quot;noMargin&quot;&gt;I can't.. I have a mac and they don't make it for mac anymore.. &lt;/p&gt;
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      <author>(MANG0xSALSA)</author>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:06:33 GMT</pubDate>
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