Nature vs. Nurture: Feral Children
2005/06/25 12:29:33 PST by annemariesays [0/90]
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Hey guys, so we just finished reading the Nature and Nurture of Behavior in the text, and had discussed the question: "Are ideas inborn or is the mind a blank slate filled by experience?" I don't know if this is part of our syllabus, but we haven't discussed this in our class yet, so I thought I'd throw this question out here: What do you guys think about feral children (humans that have been raised by animals or have had minimal human contact)? Yeah, it's a huge issue, but I was just wondering if anyone knew much about it, or how anyone feels about it.....or...someone tell me if we're going to learn about it..Anything!

2005/06/25 17:55:59 PST by MobMentality [0/28]
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The Nature vs. Nurture debate has always been a hot topic among psychologists, and remains infinitely debatable to this day. In the absence of conclusive evidence verifying one argument or the other, it remains largely a matter of opinion. I myself prefer to take a middle ground, thinking of genetics and experience as balanced (albeit not necessarily polar) entities, which dictate the development of personality in relatively balanced quantities.

Another problem I've found with this debate is that the evidence often proves ambiguous. Consider the classic example of responding to something in a way that your parents might, which you incidentally swore never to do. Nature-arguers could assert that the genetic information you received from your parents influenced your personality to emulate them. Nurture-arguers could say that the influence you have received from a lifetime of interaction with your parents has subconsciously convinced you to behave like them, though you consciously promised to never act like your parents. Therein lies the problem of examples going both ways in this debate.

Perhaps we'll never know!

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2005/06/25 20:53:41 PST by annemariesays [0/90]
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I certainly agree that there is quite an absence of convulsive evidence and that the debate is largely a matter of opinion. I find myself constantly acting in a manner that my parents do, whether it be my tendency to criticize or analyze, my knack for music, or the fact that I hate to waste water, but whether that is biological or learned from experience remains the question. I also agree that it is a specific combination of both, but back to my original question, do you think that feral children can help further the debate?

Many feral children, in this case, socially isolated children, are unable to communicate, show empathy, or display many mental processes, much less walk or care for themselves. I also saw a show on NGeo on the "wild child" or children raised by animals such as dogs or wolves, in which they displayed animal instincts, and could not associate with humans whatsoever. In fact, many were afraid of the humans. It's an amazing topic and could help further explain the "nurture" part of it; that mental processes and behavior are learned or develop through experience. Anyone that knows more, or has any comments, questions, please reply!

2005/06/26 17:26:55 PST by AndrewNOT [0/85]
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I agree with the idea of both nature and nurture shaped us as who we are, but I think the most controversial idea is which one has more influence upon our personal traits and emotions.

I remembered on one episode of "Charmed" (I know I'm a freak), the Charmed Ones somehow had in hold of a half-demon child, then the charmed sisters had this whole conflict whether they should vanquish the toddler/ infant or not. It was some what similar to the "Nature vs. Nurture" topic, because just like what we have discussed, we don't know whether the a baby is born and destinied to be "evil" or "good".

But I believe is that nature has a greater role in our minds, for example infants, even before we open our eyes yet, we already know to open our mouths for food, but had we ever been taught to put food into our mouths?
That is a trait innated.

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2005/06/26 17:31:48 PST by naccat [0/1]
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I didn't believe there were feral kids, but since there are I think that they would be very useful to studies of nurture vs. nature. The fact that they could not walk, and the wild children acting like animals suggests that nurture makes us more human in some ways then our genetics. I think it would be a really cool if we could do our project on this area.

2005/06/26 21:00:13 PST by jwnewton [0/1000]
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This is a fascinating topic! I'm not sure if you are familiar with the story behind the modern "wild-child" known as "Genie." It's not her real name, as it was given to her to protect her identity.

"Genie" was discovered at the age of 13 in 1970. Her deranged father had locked her in a room alone for over 10 years. She spent most of this time tied down to a chair, and slept in an oversized crib, covered by a metal screen- only when her family didn't forget to untie her at night!

During this time of intense neglect and abuse, Genie was not exposed to language. Her father did not speak to her and instructed other family members to also not talk to her. As such, she had acquired very little language- limited to phrases such as "no more" or "stop".

When her mother (who was afraid of the abusive father) finally got Genie and her other child away from the home, Genie was 13 years old and only weighed 59 lbs! The social workers initially thought she was 7 years old and autistic.

Interestingly, Genie began to learn to speak through therapy. While at first her speech recovery seemed rapid, she hit a developmental ceiling. She acquired some basic language skills, and would string together basic phrases such as "no have food". However, her language skills never developed beyond this- She was never able to say it properly ("I do not have food"), and the number of words in her vocabulary never developed beyond a few hundred.

Now, the questions are, of course, why did this happen? Some language theorists say that language must be learned in a "critical period"- typically before the teenage years (adolescence). This makes for an interesting combination of the idea of nature vs. nurture. Some scientists claimed Genie's condition is proof of this. Some of the scientists studying Genie disagreed, saying that her level of abuse and neglect contributed to her lack of vocabulary. Others pointed out that she did not have any left hemispheric activity in her brain, which inhibited her ability to speak properly.

Perhaps it is a combination of all of these things? It is difficult to say. I've written too much! :) What do you think?

(and btw, I'm not sure that I will talk about feral children directly. i will talk about many of the related issues from above tomorrow, as well when we discuss language and development.)

-jwn

2005/07/09 18:34:33 PST by annemariesays [0/90]
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I feel that there is a critical period during childhood in which we aquire the basic fundamentals of language, as well as many other skills. I was thinking to myself today that it just seems harder and harder for me to acquire vocabulary as I grow older. I think if I had learned more extravagant vocabulary or read more while I was younger, it would help me more than if I did now. It also seems like it is harder for adults to learn how to play an instrument than for a younger child, also.

While the tasks managed by the right hemisphere were possible for Genie, she still could not learn to speak, and yes, I think she gives evidence to supprort this "critical period." Sure the abuse and neglect could have played into it; maybe she was physically hurt in a way that impaired her speech, or the level of abuse contributed to her lack of vocabulary, but I still think that we do aquire the fundamentals of many processes during our youth.

2005/10/20 03:31:23 PST by chynna51x [0/0]

Hi there, I would really appreciate some views on the following;-

If a case like Genies was discoverd today, it would lamost certainly require the work of a multidisciplinary team, including a child psychiatrist, psychiatric nurses, and social workers, to help to rehabilitate the child. If you were a mamber of such a team, how hopeful would you be that, in the long term, the child could lead a normal life?

Has there been any evidence to prove that feral children can rehabiltate to lead a normal life?

2005/10/22 23:05:17 PST by annemariesays [0/90]
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Wow! I'm surprised someone posted here! I myself just randomly happened to check it tonight to see what's up. Anyway, about the question above, i'm obviously no expert but, according to the critical period hypothesis there is a period of time around or before puberty during which language and other skills must be acquired. After that period, there are neurological changes in the brain that hinder us from acquiring those basic language skills. Like i said earlier, i feel like it was so much easier for me to learn vocabulary when i was younger than it is now. Hmm interesting theory. I don't know how valid it is. But, as for the question as to if the feral child would lead a normal life, that would depend upon what you call normal... and also what that child would call normal. I would be somewhat hopeful because there have been cases where feral children have learned to speak (minimally, but sufficiently)... but speaking is just one thing. Genie was a master at logic and spacial abilities. She scored perfectly on the tests she took. She just couldn't express them verbally. So, i do think there is potential for a feral child to live a "normal" life, in that they aren't completely outcasted nor inept. They clearly have a personality, a good thought process, and can grow to interact.

Theres a movie that was made like two years ago, Mockingbird Don't Sing, based on the feral child that was like isolated in her room and like confined to her crib for years upon years. The girl in mockingbird don't sing is tied to a potty chair apparantly. The movie tells of her abuse and her growth from there into a beautiful young woman. Haven't seen it, but plan on doing so soon.

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